I am angry.
Furious about people who should know better. I was listening to my XM radio whilst driving, and a Jones caller-in ended with "Remember...Mark 16:16 says "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." Alex Jones proceeded to burble "Well, that means 'reborn'.
No Alex, it doesn't. "Baptize" means "to immerse". John the Baptiser did not "rebirth" people. He immersed them in the Jordan. Jesus said "he that believes and is baptised will be saved." Popular "Christian" teachers say "Baptism is not important.". Who will YOU believe, Alex? Will you support the globalist religious conspiracy, or Jesus?
When the apostle Peter told the Jews in Jerusalem that they had crucified the Son of God, the Christ, they asked "What can we do?" Peter said "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
He did not say "Pray this prayer." He did not say "Ask Jesus into your heart." "Keys to the Kingdom" Peter said "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.".
Alex, who will you stand with? Charles Stanley or Jesus? Billy Graham or Peter? John MacArthur or Paul, who explained what happens in baptism.
1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.
If you read the words that the Scriptures use about baptism, you must come to the conclusion that it is far more important than what modern Bible teachers allow. The Acts 2 passage alone is proof of the anti-baptism conspiracy. The day the church began, Peter told the people how to get in. The New Testament never rescinded those instructions.
What about "the Sinners Prayer"? Nowhere to be found in Scripture. What about "asking Jesus into your heart"? Nowhere is this instruction given.
Commentaries and Bible dictionaries may disagree, but if it is not in the Biblical text, it is error. It is false doctrine. It is calling a wall a door. What more awesome conspiracy than to dupe millions that they are in the church, only to find too late that they never even got in the door.
What will you stand with, Bible truth, or the globalist religious booksellers?
Really, Alex. That comment did not need to be made at all. You should have just let the quote stand.
Save your efforts for the Bilderbergers and the CFR.
5 comments:
Romans 10:9 & 10 kinda' lays wood to the whole "if ya ain't dunked, you're sunk" private interpretation: It doesn't mention water anywhere, and you can't fit it in to your salvation-by-works atheo-illogy without getting all wet. I don't buy most of what Alex Jones pushes, but I don't buy at all the Papist WASPel of three gods, life after death & salvation by works.
How precisely is taking what Jesus and Peter said at face value a "private interpretation"? It DOES fly in the face of the majority of schismatic groups out there, but then, that's what the Gospel does.
"If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."
You cannot separate Romans 10 from the rest of the scriptures, like Romans 6.
Besides, Peter proclaims in Acts 2
“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
Repentance carries with it "Jesus is Lord" built-in, being an active "I won't live MY way anymore, I will live Jesus' way" change of life.
Nowhere in scripture is baptism defined as a work. If we are not saved by works, but Jesus taught to be baptised, it must not be one, despite what rebellious religion writers claim.
"In the name of Jesus" means "by Jesus' authority", which hearkens back to Jesus' commission statement in Mark 16. Did Jesus get this wrong?
"The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” This says what Peter just said is for everybody whom the Lord God calls.
Why would you reject the plain teaching and promise of Jesus Peter, and Paul? The argument is not with me, it is with God's Word. I cannot change what it says, and woe to me if I misreport it.
You're starting to come across like one of those guys that can't figure out that dead actually means "dead", not "floating around in the sky" and the baptism the Word speaks of for Believers is different from John's baptism.
Everyone divides the Word; the question is, do you rightly divide it, or are you just regurgitating the dreck of Loyola, Campbell, Calvin, Aquinas or some other hack:
You are, in fact, very close to the Truth, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
You might want to check Acts 1:5, 6-8, the missing links in your chain of Logic.
Yes, Ted, John's baptism is different from Christian baptism, but the WORD is the same one, which means "to immerse or dip". That is why I invoked his baptism, because I was defining the word for all my reader.
"dead actually means 'dead', not 'floating around in the sky'"
Your reductio sd absurdum argument is ineffective because I know of no-one who actually believes that after death we become Caspers floating around.
What of Jesus' reportage of Lazarus and the rich man? They both appeared...sentient. Was Jesus telling us a fairy tale?
What of the spirits of the martyrs beneath the altar in Revelation, calling out to be avenged? Kind of...aware, they are. The Transfiguration is also indication of a continued awareness after death. Jesus is said to have preached to the spirits in prison prior to his resurrection:
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.(1 Peter 3)
The whole Noah's flood symbolised baptism which now saves you, not like a bath for cleaning your body, but the answer of a clear conscience toward God. How can a conscience be clear? If it has no guilt. Go back to Romans 6. The old man of sin, dies on the cross (repentance= Jesus is Lord), is buried in baptism (a figure of Christ's burial), and you are raised out of the watery grave, as Jesus was resurrected, to new life.
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Now, lest you misunderstand me, I am not a believer in "a soul". (you know, that ghostly thing that allegedly leaves a body at death.)
When Adam was made, "God breathed in him the breath of life(ruach - spirit, breath), and man became a living soul (nephesh - being)"
So God gave the physical body of Adam spiritual CPR, and man became a living being) Your soul is what you "be" not something you have.
Man is a soul, who has a spirit, that lives in a body.
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Now, Acts 1. The disciples had already been baptised in water, for all faithful Jews went out to John. Later Jesus baptised as well for a time. (John 3:22-24), and later (John 4) the disciples did the actual baptising). The disciples would have been baptised in water at one of these points.
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Later, Jesus told the Twelve "You are clean because of the word I have spoken to you" Jesus cleansed them by his word.
This does not change what he and Peter later taught. Also, all this occurred before the establishment of the church at Pentecost. He was prepping them for that time.
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As to your Acts citation:
"On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit."
6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
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Jesus' baptising the 12 in the Holy Spirit on Pentecost to empower them in no way changes the teaching that Peter subsequently gave that same day.
Hear what the Lord Jesus saith:
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28
All authority is Mine.
Therefore go.
Make disciples
Baptise them
Teach them what I have commanded you.
Jesus can baptise in the Holy Spirit to empower.
Disciples baptise in water to cleanse.
Different elements, different functions. Diffferent baptisers.
I have not invoked any commentators or religious leaders.
Just the Word.
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